tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post4121982925424053889..comments2023-10-02T03:39:59.884-05:00Comments on Jeff Meyers: Trinity & Church IIJeff Meyershttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16934932107746619375noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-53514259099801098962007-07-11T01:25:00.000-05:002007-07-11T01:25:00.000-05:00Thanks very much.Thanks very much.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-2250664880751822212007-07-10T20:13:00.000-05:002007-07-10T20:13:00.000-05:00Off the top of my head, glancing at my bookshelves...Off the top of my head, glancing at my bookshelves, if you are looking for a good overview of <I>modern</I> trinitarian theology, I would recommend:<BR/><BR/>• Stanley Grenz, <I>Rediscovering the Triune God: The Trinity in Contemporary Theology</I> (Fortress, 2004)<BR/><BR/>• John Thompson, <I>Modern Trinitarian Theology</I> (Oxford, 1994).<BR/><BR/>These two will serve you well as introductions to what has happened since Barth.<BR/><BR/>• Add to these Roger Olson and Christopher Hall, <I>The Trinity</I> (Eerdmans, 2002). This is a slim book that does a nice job of summarizing patristic, medieval, Reformation, and modern contributions to the development of the doctrine.<BR/><BR/>These are not necessarily the best books on the Trinity. You can, however, follow the footnotes in them and pursue what interests you.Jeff Meyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934932107746619375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-49278870693677817772007-07-10T17:08:00.000-05:002007-07-10T17:08:00.000-05:00Doh. OK I am interested. Would you please name y...Doh. OK I am interested. Would you please name your top three books on the subject? I haven't read much apart from the Fathers, some Lossky and Warfield, and a little Gerald Bray.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-21877353151008071932007-07-10T15:27:00.000-05:002007-07-10T15:27:00.000-05:00Yes, your right about theology degrees here in Ame...Yes, your right about theology degrees here in America, Roger. <BR/><BR/>As for the dearth of material, first, I'm not sure that there's really a lack of books on the trinity these days. There's a flood of books.<BR/><BR/>What I was commenting on is the lack of interaction with social trinitarianism in Reformed circles.Jeff Meyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934932107746619375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-63646099223918002982007-07-10T15:01:00.000-05:002007-07-10T15:01:00.000-05:00A word of explanation: in the Anglo-Saxon world pa...A word of explanation: in the Anglo-Saxon world pastors do theology as a first degree, not a second post-grad degree as you do, I think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-17776998410619280192007-07-10T14:50:00.000-05:002007-07-10T14:50:00.000-05:00At my College we did the doctrine of the Trinity a...At my College we did the doctrine of the Trinity as a post-grad module. Nothing at undergrad level at all.<BR/><BR/>I am a product of the Anglo-Saxon evangelical world, so it may be different in the USA.<BR/><BR/>Practically it means that most of my peers would be completely ignorant of the eternal generation and spiration, and the differences between the West and the East re the inta-Trinitarian relationships such as the filioque etc.<BR/><BR/>Is it possible that the dearth of material has something to do with this scenario?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-8273356792801726592007-07-10T11:34:00.000-05:002007-07-10T11:34:00.000-05:00Sean: Yes, I've seen it, but only glanced through ...Sean: Yes, I've seen it, but only glanced through it. I don't remember it containing anything I didn't already have in my Miscellanies volumes. Is Lee's introduction/analysis valuable?Jeff Meyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934932107746619375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-62655317826351032412007-07-10T10:58:00.000-05:002007-07-10T10:58:00.000-05:00Hi, Jeff: You probably have already seen this, but...Hi, Jeff: You probably have already seen this, but in the Yale edition of the works of JE, Sang Lee has edited writings on the trinity as well as grace and faith (vol. 21). In some ways, they collect together a number of the themes in the Misc.; perhaps he intended to transplant his thoughts there into his History of Work of Redemption project that he contemplated before his death. FWIW, smlSean Michael Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06911661966197928859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-24462467108377280162007-07-10T10:50:00.000-05:002007-07-10T10:50:00.000-05:00Hi Sean,Yes, I agree about the potential in Edward...Hi Sean,<BR/><BR/>Yes, I agree about the potential in Edwards. I first came across Edward's fascinating trinitarian speculation in his Miscellanies about 12 years ago. I followed some footnotes in Robert Jenson's quirky little book about Edwards <I>Amerca's Theologian</I> (Oxford, 1988). I think I'll do my next post on that. Thanks for the reminder!Jeff Meyershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934932107746619375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-558461285642691762.post-33953229158857052372007-07-10T10:36:00.000-05:002007-07-10T10:36:00.000-05:00Hi, Jeff:This is all very interesting--I agree wit...Hi, Jeff:<BR/><BR/>This is all very interesting--I agree with you that for most conservative Reformed theologians, the natural default is the psychological analogy for Trinitarian theologizing because it preserves "oneness," which seems to be a higer, desired end than "threeness."<BR/><BR/>One of the interesting things, though, has been the influence of Jonathan Edwards on this whole discussion. Amy Pauw's dissertation on Edwards' trinitarianism, along with Sang Lee's Philosophical Theology of Jonathan Edwards has pushed both the social analogy and dispositional ontology to the forefront of a number of theological conversations. I think this is an important move and will help us both understand Edwards but more importantly rethink conservative theologians latent unitarianism, especially as it affects worship and discipleship.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for thinking this stuff out loud. I still wish you'd finish your dissertation so that some of these things can be interacted with more directly...<BR/><BR/>Best, smlSean Michael Lucashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06911661966197928859noreply@blogger.com